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is it what president obama promised when he was candidate obama four years ago? no. but is it better than where we've been for the last 40 months? yes. i also think that we're going to see how this momentum thing plays out because we have so very many events coming one right after the other. we have a vice presidential debate in a few days followed by another presidential debate. we have a lot to see yet. >> it is widely agreed, speaking of debates, that mitt romney won the first debate, but did americans, particularly undecided voters get the whole story. cnn did some fact checking on comments made at the debate this week. i want you to listen to this on the topic of the deficit, first. >> mitt romney claims that even with his tax cuts, he will not add to the deficit. >> my number one principle there is no tax that that will add to the deficit. i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specific
is it what president obama promised when he was candidate obama four years ago? no. but is it better than where we've been for the last 40 months? yes. i also think that we're going to see how this momentum thing plays out because we have so very many events coming one right after the other. we have a vice presidential debate in a few days followed by another presidential debate. we have a lot to see yet. >> it is widely agreed, speaking of debates, that mitt romney won the first debate,...
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obama got bin laden. i'll get big bird. you tell that so and so romney anyone who bleeps with big bird bleeps with me. big bird even extended his middle finger at the candidate. >> and you're going to count on one that we all know and love. >> reporter: big bird started his own big bird parody account. reacted by crying and showed up in a deployment split screen. >> i like pbs. i like big bird. >> reporter: his reaction was a scream. >> not going to keep spending on money to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> aghh! >> reporter: his response included a message. >> f-u-m-i -- >> reporter: a message spilled out for myth. and this isn't the first time that mitt romney has stalked big bird. >> i like big bird and bert and ernie for my grandkids to like. >> reporter: o. >> he got rid of your jobs, now he wants to get rid of big bird's job. >> reporter: day after the debate the president joined in. >> thank goodness somebody is finally getting tough on big bird! we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal deficit.
obama got bin laden. i'll get big bird. you tell that so and so romney anyone who bleeps with big bird bleeps with me. big bird even extended his middle finger at the candidate. >> and you're going to count on one that we all know and love. >> reporter: big bird started his own big bird parody account. reacted by crying and showed up in a deployment split screen. >> i like pbs. i like big bird. >> reporter: his reaction was a scream. >> not going to keep spending...
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obama's surprise, thanks hilda. hilda solis is responsible at the bureau of statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of statistics. folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades. it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> solis, not solis. for the record, here's how the process works. the raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before the monthly report. the bureau of statistics makes calls around to 60,000 house holds and asks who is working. that's where the unemployment rate comes from. for job growth and job loss, they gather payroll data from businesses. everyone who touches the data signs confidentiality agreements. documents are locked in safes. windows are actually papered over. custo custodians don't even empty the trash until it's over. they give them 12 hours in advance with apparen
obama's surprise, thanks hilda. hilda solis is responsible at the bureau of statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of statistics. folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades. it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> solis, not solis. for the record, here's...
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>> it was a mistake for president obama to ask him about that, it was wrong for president obama not to say, mitt romney, are you calling out the republicans who are voting for the jobs bill in the senate? president obama left a whole bunch of stuff on the table that he could have brought up. he absolutely should have asked him about it because it's a central issue when you talk about where we stand in this country. i simply say to ali, i know he's your guy. >> he's even saying preexistent conditions will be covered, but people who lose their job can keep their health insurance for a time. that's not what people think of when they think of a preexisting condition. >> it's something that when republicans repeal obamacare and try to replace it, they'll have to come up with that replacement so people don't gain in the system -- >> so was he lying or mistaken about his own policy? >> there is a provision in there, anderson, that will cover a portion of the people who don't have health insurance. if you paid your premiums and you have health insurance, you can't be turned down. what he's tal
>> it was a mistake for president obama to ask him about that, it was wrong for president obama not to say, mitt romney, are you calling out the republicans who are voting for the jobs bill in the senate? president obama left a whole bunch of stuff on the table that he could have brought up. he absolutely should have asked him about it because it's a central issue when you talk about where we stand in this country. i simply say to ali, i know he's your guy. >> he's even saying...
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the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on the campaign. >> no president, no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. when president barack obama took office, the economy was in free fall, it had just shrunk. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the are we doing better today? the answer is yes. >> and we should say, we are actually back now to where we were when obama got in office. but do you think bill clinton is right there? did obama do all that could have been done? >> well, i think he did all that could have been done that the congress would let him do. with hind sight, the stimulus package should have been bigger, but at the time it was put together, there were two things that were constraining it. one was we didn't know how bad the economy was at that moment. it was still getting worse. but nobody knew how much worse it was getting. and the other was sort of sticker shock. it was a big number and the congress wasn't prepared
the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on the campaign. >> no president, no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. when president barack obama took office, the economy was in free fall, it had just shrunk. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the are we doing better today? the answer is yes. >> and we should say, we are actually...
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that is not a number barack obama should be crowing about. t not a number mitt romney should be accusatory about. barack obama has created more jobs while in office than were lost, but mitt romney points out correct lew, they are not the right quality. no, this is not morning in america. it's also not a disaster. >> ethan, jump in here. are you encouraged? >> i am. i totally agree with ali. mitt romney's been saying that we've been having x month of unemployment above 8%. he can't that anymore. on top of that, the president can say he's created over a million private sector jobs, so he has some new powerful rhetorical arrows that are in his quiver. >> when i saw this today, i thought this fits perfectly into this narrative of a country that's divided because it's a little bit good news. not a lot, and it leaves everybody with room to argue. >> symbolically, it was a victory for the white house to get that unemployment rate under 8% along with just about everybody else. i predicted that would be the key to obama winning re-election, but object
that is not a number barack obama should be crowing about. t not a number mitt romney should be accusatory about. barack obama has created more jobs while in office than were lost, but mitt romney points out correct lew, they are not the right quality. no, this is not morning in america. it's also not a disaster. >> ethan, jump in here. are you encouraged? >> i am. i totally agree with ali. mitt romney's been saying that we've been having x month of unemployment above 8%. he can't...
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what's the obama white house saying about all of this? >> they're effectively saying that the economy, while it's still weak, is showing signs that the president's policies are working, that his agenda is finally getting traction in the economy. here's what the president had to say. >> there are too many middle class families that are still struggling to pay the bills. they were struggling long before the crisis hit. but today's news certainly is not an excuse to try and talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> that was friday right after the jobs numbers came out. i'll point out two meaningful things about those jobs numbers. one, you recall when his stimulus plan came out somebody in his administration said with the stimulus plan. it was never a promise, a projection. symbolically it's meaningful this is now below 8%. also now it's fallen for the first time not because fewer people are looking for jobs. actually, the number of people looking for jobs r
what's the obama white house saying about all of this? >> they're effectively saying that the economy, while it's still weak, is showing signs that the president's policies are working, that his agenda is finally getting traction in the economy. here's what the president had to say. >> there are too many middle class families that are still struggling to pay the bills. they were struggling long before the crisis hit. but today's news certainly is not an excuse to try and talk down...
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maybe obama saw this because the significance of the last 3 1/2 years in the obama presidency is there was never cooperation or rarely cooperation. no or very few bipartisan agreements. the only time they did something was when they brought joe biden in to negotiate with the republicans. so maybe obama sensed that. but i don't know -- it's worthy to investigate. >> sean: yeah. one theory i have, i want to ask you one more question about your theory. i would argue, $6 trilon in debt, very hard to explain away. i would argue that, you know when 2012 economically is worse than 2011, which was worse than 2010, unemployment in 2012, fewer jobs in this year than last year and the year before. things are trending down. obviously, that's troubling for the president in terms of trying to defend it. but back to your theory, if he was so bad that there something else going on, that could be troubling in and of itself. you know, we need presidents that are strong. you know, bill clinton, as critical as i was during monica lewinsky, you have to hand it to him, his ability to compartmentalize, do hi
maybe obama saw this because the significance of the last 3 1/2 years in the obama presidency is there was never cooperation or rarely cooperation. no or very few bipartisan agreements. the only time they did something was when they brought joe biden in to negotiate with the republicans. so maybe obama sensed that. but i don't know -- it's worthy to investigate. >> sean: yeah. one theory i have, i want to ask you one more question about your theory. i would argue, $6 trilon in debt, very...
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when you went head-to-head with obama in 2008, the polls said 51% obama, 38% mccain. do you think you would have done better against the obama that was debating this week? >> i think so, piers, but you know, it would sound like i am now trying to rewrite history or i would have done better. you know, i never tried to do any of that looking back and certainly not in anger or bitterness. but i think it is true that during the 2008 campaign, the president or then senator obama had no record to defend, and one of the reasons why mitt did so well in this debate was because mitt was -- i think very legitimately, attacking his record, whether it be the $90 billion in subsidies for energy or a number of the other things that he pointed -- the failure of dodd-frank, and so the president had a record to defend this time, but one, do not underestimate the president of the united states. he will come back strong. i think mitt has to be prepared for that. and also, as you mentioned, these job numbers will give him a bit or something of a bot today. >> we've got the vp debate comin
when you went head-to-head with obama in 2008, the polls said 51% obama, 38% mccain. do you think you would have done better against the obama that was debating this week? >> i think so, piers, but you know, it would sound like i am now trying to rewrite history or i would have done better. you know, i never tried to do any of that looking back and certainly not in anger or bitterness. but i think it is true that during the 2008 campaign, the president or then senator obama had no record...
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that would be the lowest since president obama took office. now, before we get into what jack welch tweeted, here's how president obama reacted to the economic news. >> today's news should give us some encouragement. it shouldn't be an excuse for the other side to try to talk down the economy just to try to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country's come too far to turn back now. >> president obama on the campaign trail today. now here's what mitt romney said. >> the unemployment rate as you know this year has come down very, very slowly but it's come down nonetheless. the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> he went on to say the country can do better, which is about what you would expect him to say, same as you would expect president obama to say what he said. that's the way the two sides do it, year in, year out, campaign after campaign. what no one does, at least not until now, is look at the numbers and suggest the fix is in. th
that would be the lowest since president obama took office. now, before we get into what jack welch tweeted, here's how president obama reacted to the economic news. >> today's news should give us some encouragement. it shouldn't be an excuse for the other side to try to talk down the economy just to try to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country's come too far to turn back now. >> president obama on the campaign trail today. now here's what mitt romney said....
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certainly some welcome news for team obama. a liberal economist cautioned that it is almost certainly a statistical fluke. john roberts is alive and st. petersburg, florida, where he will be reporting today. >> virginia has been hit hard by job losses in the coal industry. saying that the only reason why the unemployment dropped from 8.2% up to 7.8% is because so many people has dropped out of the work force. if it was a real number, it would probably be more like 11.5%. >> when i am president, the unemployment rate is going to come out, not because people are giving up and jumping out of the workforce, but because we are creating more jobs. i will create jobs and get america working again. reporter: governor romney continuing to have plans to raise taxes on wealthier americans. they would get hit with that tax increase and that cost as many as 700,000 jobs. again, the governor in abington. >> yesterday the vice president blurted out the truth. he said in fact that they do want to race taxes a trillion dollars. i want to create
certainly some welcome news for team obama. a liberal economist cautioned that it is almost certainly a statistical fluke. john roberts is alive and st. petersburg, florida, where he will be reporting today. >> virginia has been hit hard by job losses in the coal industry. saying that the only reason why the unemployment dropped from 8.2% up to 7.8% is because so many people has dropped out of the work force. if it was a real number, it would probably be more like 11.5%. >> when i...
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president obama was sitting right there. he could have confronted governor romney on any number of issues and drowning the distinction. >> isn't our job to actually never mind that the quality of the theatrical performance but to ask about, were there untruths spoken in that debate and there were a lot. >> about that -- >> because president obama was loose with the fact. >> they were minor. >> ah. >> he said -- >> $4 trillion plan to cut the deficit. >> he said health care premiums are rising at the slowest rate in 50 years. >> those are minor compared with -- >> you know what, let's dig into those when we come back. take a quick break. a lot more roundtable including previewing the vp debate and last time it inspired "saturday night live." >> with barack obama you'll pay higher taxes. not with me and my fellow maverick. we're not afraid to get maver k mavericky in there and ruffle some feathers and not allow that and also to the great ronald reagan. >> and later "this week's" other big debate. >> american foreign policy has
president obama was sitting right there. he could have confronted governor romney on any number of issues and drowning the distinction. >> isn't our job to actually never mind that the quality of the theatrical performance but to ask about, were there untruths spoken in that debate and there were a lot. >> about that -- >> because president obama was loose with the fact. >> they were minor. >> ah. >> he said -- >> $4 trillion plan to cut the deficit....
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what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to reagan's number. >> i think how this works with the president's narrative is that we're moving in the right direction, don't change -- you know, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that demonstrably didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that he can legitimately tie to mitt romney. he had a narrative that said the economy is moving in the right direction, and i think this job report actually strengthens that narrative. and much more than levels of variables like the level of the employment rate, it's momentum that i think forms voters' views on the economy. >> i think it was interesting that jack let out that last night he tweeted, i didn't know this, he had tweeted 7.9% was his prediction. that is not exactly a wide deviation from what he thought it was going to be. i would just say this now, i have tremendous
what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to reagan's number. >> i think how this works with the president's narrative is that we're moving in the right direction, don't change -- you know, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that demonstrably didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that he can legitimately tie to mitt romney....
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whether it's romney or obama let me do it my way. if i were obama what would i do? first of all let me show you. i'd come out with a 2 x 4. no no, say that line about the 5 trillion-dollar again. go ahead say it. >> romney: i'm not in favor of a 5 trillion-dollar tax cut. that's not my man. my plan is not to put in any tax cut that will effect the deficit. i will bring down the deductions and taxes at the same time so the revenue stays in. >> cenk: yeah, yeah, that sounds good. you're going to do a 20% tax cut across the board. then a 2 trillion-dollar increase in the defense budget. then you're going to keep most of the popular deductions. and then you're going to balance the budget. and then you're going to give everybody a free unicorn! that's not how it works mitt! you're lying! there is no 5 trillion-dollar in deductions that you take away from just the rich. that's preposterous. and i'm not going to let you get away with it. one wonders how long i will keep this 2 x 4 that is actually not a 2 x 4 on my shoulder, but we move forward. he says, well, before i go
whether it's romney or obama let me do it my way. if i were obama what would i do? first of all let me show you. i'd come out with a 2 x 4. no no, say that line about the 5 trillion-dollar again. go ahead say it. >> romney: i'm not in favor of a 5 trillion-dollar tax cut. that's not my man. my plan is not to put in any tax cut that will effect the deficit. i will bring down the deductions and taxes at the same time so the revenue stays in. >> cenk: yeah, yeah, that sounds good....
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what should obama get with 7.8? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody's poo-poo'ing it. oh, geez, i know why jack welch is scared that number is too damn close to reagan's number. that's probably what he's worried about. >> how this works with the president's narrative, we're moving in the right direction, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that i think he can legitimately tie to mitt romney. he had a narrative that says the economy is monthing in the right direction. i think this job report actually strengthens that narrative. much more than levels variables, like the level of the unemployment rate, it's momentum that i think forms voters' views on the economy. >> thank you jared bernstein for coming on. >> thank you. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy wh
what should obama get with 7.8? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody's poo-poo'ing it. oh, geez, i know why jack welch is scared that number is too damn close to reagan's number. that's probably what he's worried about. >> how this works with the president's narrative, we're moving in the right direction, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that i think he can legitimately tie to mitt romney. he had a...
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the last three years have been president obama. don't forget, another one of the president's key campaign promises back in 2008, remember that? he said i will cut this deficit in half. $4 trillion he promised. talk about the bush tax cut expiring if biden is right and you increase taxes by $1 trillion how does that turn into jobs? >>guest: we will talk about what taxes they are talking about raising. they are talking about raising small business tacks from 35 to 41 or 42 percent. the capital gains tax is the capital we use to start businesses, that tax goes up from 15 percent to 24 percent. and you have estate taxes going up and dividend taxes going up. you have been in the financial market as long time, if you raise the taxes you know the impact it will have on investment, it will go down in the united states. by the way it is a great way to increase investment on out sourcing to china and india and germany and france. i find it to an job killer. do not have this giant tax increase but this is an example of the president putting f
the last three years have been president obama. don't forget, another one of the president's key campaign promises back in 2008, remember that? he said i will cut this deficit in half. $4 trillion he promised. talk about the bush tax cut expiring if biden is right and you increase taxes by $1 trillion how does that turn into jobs? >>guest: we will talk about what taxes they are talking about raising. they are talking about raising small business tacks from 35 to 41 or 42 percent. the...
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you can watch the rest of that live on cnn.com. >>> his opponent, president obama, and the obama campaign are talking campaign funds. president obama getting a boost on one hand and doing some damage control on the other. he's riding high on lower unemployment numbers, but also trying to recover from his poorly reviewed showing at the first presidential debate with mitt romney. meanwhile, romney's team claiming a big supporter bounce since the debate, saying they raised more than $12 million in the past 48 hours. >>> the highest profile islamic terror suspect in great britain is now in the united states. al masri and four others appeared in federal courtrooms just hours after landing on american soil. >>> an extraordinary trial in vatican city has ended with a guilty verdict. the former butler to pope benedict xvi was sentenced to 18 months in prison for stealing confidential church documents and passing them on to an italian journalist. a vatican spokesman says the pope will most likely pardon him. >>> gas prices in california jumped again overnight. drivers are now paying an average of
you can watch the rest of that live on cnn.com. >>> his opponent, president obama, and the obama campaign are talking campaign funds. president obama getting a boost on one hand and doing some damage control on the other. he's riding high on lower unemployment numbers, but also trying to recover from his poorly reviewed showing at the first presidential debate with mitt romney. meanwhile, romney's team claiming a big supporter bounce since the debate, saying they raised more than $12...
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that's what troubled us watching president obama. let's jump ahead, and some of my friends get angry when this. but i think this campaign will be a nice solid win for president obama. i want to project to the second term. i know-- >> no complacency. >> eliot: all caveats aside. >> i think a better direction and no complacency. >> eliot: that's exactly right. the pennsylvania voting i.d. structure top texas struck down. the courts are doing something hugely important. the rule of law is being established as a foundation piece of the electoral process once again. >> that is important. >> eliot: back to my question. second term you have been critical of president obama on issues of civil liberties foreign policies, where do you see him going? >> on that front we have an editorial in our last issue. i would call it the election editorial but we do say reelect president obama. because the stakes are too high. but the forward movement, we saw gay rights. we need to stand up and say we're not secure with the escalation of drone wars or viol
that's what troubled us watching president obama. let's jump ahead, and some of my friends get angry when this. but i think this campaign will be a nice solid win for president obama. i want to project to the second term. i know-- >> no complacency. >> eliot: all caveats aside. >> i think a better direction and no complacency. >> eliot: that's exactly right. the pennsylvania voting i.d. structure top texas struck down. the courts are doing something hugely important. the...